Dating with strings attached

The other night, I got a message from a guy on one of the online dating sites that said:

You have big balls- I can appreciate that 🙂
I like to think I’m just outside the box and-enjoyed your honest, fun, interesting rant. 
I like active, heathy- and understand that comes in all shapes and sizes. If you like to hike, bike, and can rut more than 15 minutes- give me a shout back;)


My initial reaction was positive. After all, he indicated that he understands that being a larger size doesn’t automatically mean that someone is a slug. Then that “if” started to get to me. What if I looked at his profile, saw a few spelling errors and sent a message that said:

It’s ballsy to hang those spelling errors out where everyone can see them, and I enjoyed the humor in your rant about people nit-picking every spelling glitch. 
I understand that there are all sorts of different sorts of intelligence, and spelling isn’t everything. 
I like guys who are smart and funny, so to make sure you are smart in spite of your spelling troubles,  I have included some links to a few online IQ tests. If you score above 140, drop me a line!

He wouldn’t have reponded as politely as I did. There isn’t the smallest doubt in mind of that. He would have been offended, and rightfully so. No one would think that it was OK to imply that someone might not be smart enough to date, and including a conditional acceptance based on a test would insult anyone who got such a message. 

My actual response, and I did respond, was more to the point. I thanked him for calling me ballsy, and suggested that it was pretty ballsy of him to say he might be willing to date a fun, honest woman if she could pass a fitness challenge first. Then I asked him to clarify when the timer would start on the rutting–during foreplay or at penetration. He took it well, or pretended to.  

Conditional acceptance is not what anyone wants. People might settle for it. People might not even recognize it as such. I have no desire to be involved with someone whose affection comes with an IF statement. We all have preferences, but when it comes down to it, we need to accept people the way they are or move on. 

Obviously in this case I will be moving on. 

Sometimes yes means no

Your lips say no, no, no but your eyes say yes, yes, yes….
–Every douchebag Casanova wanna-be, including Pepe le Pew

 

Without belaboring the point, I will acknowledge that on occasion people do say no when they mean yes:

  • No, I don’t want dessert…but I am planning on eating half of yours, because I really DO want it but don’t want to act like a desperate fat chick. (Note: not me. I really don’t care about dessert.)
  • No, I don’t want anyone to make a fuss over my birthday, but I will be passive agressively pouty all day if you do not. (Note: not me. I admit unashamedly that I want everyone to make a fuss over me on my birthday because I am mentally about 8.)
  • No, I don’t need any help with that project around the house…but I have no idea what I am doing so I really hope you insist. (Note: totally me. Asking for and accepting help is not a strong point.)
  • No, I don’t want another drink…well, I do want one…but really shouldn’t…(Note: yes, me.)

 

So, yeah. Some times women do say no when they mean yes. It’s true. On the other hand, I think we can all acknowledge just as readily that none of those situations results in assault if someone reads a “yes” into the “no.” No one’s life will be ruined if someone gets dessert or a surprise party.

If we’re on a date and someone thinks I mean yes when I say no? It isn’t hard to understand how serious the consequences are if I really do mean no. It’s called rape.  I think by now, we all get it.

You know what might surprise some people? Sometimes yes also means no.

I wonder how many women do it? Things get more sexual than you want. You say no. He keeps going. You say no again. He keeps going…and you give in. You don’t want to.  But you also don’t want to find out what will happen if you keep saying no.

So..you technically consented, but if you hadn’t been worried that things might escalate to physical force, would you have said yes?  Or if you just didn’t feel like dealing with the attitude?

At what point does talking someone into having sex when he knows she doesn’t really  want to do become a sexual assault?

So this is the story of what really happened when I drove to Newport to meet the guy I wrote about the other day. I don’t like to talk about what happened. I am not sure I ever have. The basic story is the same as the one I told. A date that went pretty well. I agreed to spend the night in his guest room. That part is the same in the version of the story I usually tell. Where it differs is what followed.  When we said goodnight at the door to the guest room, I gave him a hug and kissed him on the cheek. He grabbed me and kissed me on the mouth. I tried to pull away and he grabbed me a little too hard and kissed me again. I said no. He kept kissing me as I struggled away and asked him to stop.

He kept kissing me and pulled me into his room, and eventually I stopped resisting and went along with what he wanted to do. I don’t think I was really afraid of him, but I didn’t want to find out if I should be.  I let my mind go somewhere else, and I let him fuck me. Given how shitty he was to me in the morning, apparently he found my lack of responsiveness disappointing.

I was more angry with myself than I was with him.  Even now I find it embarrassing that I put myself into a position where something like this happened. Would I call it rape? No. Yes. No. I don’t know. There is a line. I am not sure what side of it something like this falls on.

The rational side of my brain tells me that it didn’t happen because of me. It happened because of him. Just like it happens to millions of other girls and women on millions of dates with millions of boys and men who walk up to that imaginary line when the girl says no.  They decide to cross it. To keep pushing. To keep talking.  To make her give in. It happens in dorm rooms, and cars. It happens in bedrooms. On couches. Someone gets talked into sex because of the inherent threat of physical harm. It’s not even a stated threat. It doesn’t have to be.

He was wrong. I said no. He thought I meant yes, or decided he wanted the answer to be yes, and didn’t stop until it was. Maybe he thought he was being charming and swept me off my feet and that I was just terrible in bed.  Maybe he was more sinister than that. I really don’t know.

There are a lot of people out there like him.

Sometimes I wonder if he ever had daughters. If he did, would he did tell them this story?  I wonder if it would be different from the version he might tell his sons?

 

 

 

 

Trust and risk

Trust and risk

I guess the point is, there is no trust without risk. If it were EASY…I mean, if it was all a guaranteed walk in the park, if there wasn’t a real risk that someone would cross the line…then it wouldn’t be real trust.
–Amanda Palmer/the Art of Asking


In my eternal quest to quote everything Amanda Fucking Palmer has ever said, I find myself coming back to trust. Probably because it is what I keep coming back to in life. As I start this, I am in a bar in Beaverton waiting for my online date to arrive. He is a little late, which surprises me because he’d kind of gone overboard to confirm. Still. I have a pint of porter, and a way to write and we all know how much I love bars. I trust that he will get here. If not, I’ll have a drink and get some writing done. It smells like wood fire in the bar, and it is cold and rainy outside. I’m happy either way. 

There isn’t much of a risk. 

Oops, some of us should pay closer attention to our texts that specify a time, and not accidentally arrive an hour early. See? Trust. Just because something goes wrong,  it doesn’t mean someone is ill-intentioned, and (ahem) sometimes the problem is the person staring back at you in all those selfies you like to take. I thought I knew how to read…

So yeah. Trust. 

Once I drove from Beaverton to Newport to meet up with someone I’d met online. It was not the best idea from a personal safety standpoint, but my plan was to come back the same day. We had a decent, but not fantastic time at the Rogue pub for trivia night. He offered to put me up in his guest room because it was a long drive home. It was a 2 hour drive and there had been a visit to the pub, so I agreed. Only a little reluctantly, because he seemed like a nice guy. We stayed up late drinking wine and watching a few movies. There were no romantic moves at all. Eventually, as we parted ways for the night, between his room and the guest room he suddenly became all hands, and pushed me into his bedroom. I wondered  if he was going to become threatening. It was an unpleasant end to what had been a fairly nice day. 

To make things even more unpleasant, he woke me up at 0600, still put out at me for not wanting to put out,  and told me that he had decided to go to work so I needed to leave. Immediately. I got in the car, very annoyed with him for being such a douche,  and with myself for having been so stupid. Driving home angry and lead-footed,  I got a ticket for going 55 in a 25mph zone through Depoe Bay. My silver lining was that I didn’t get clocked while I was still going about 90. 

It was a ticket I couldn’t afford, and a lesson I apparently needed. 

Sometimes, as Amanda Palmer says, people just suck. And you need to balance trust and risk. 

Trust and safety. 

Trust and common sense. 

If there wasn’t some sort of risk, trust wouldn’t be so difficult. 

When a guy I went out with the night asked me about online dating disaster stories, I told him that I didn’t have any. This one was sitting in my head untold until someone at work was talking about speeding tickets. 

I still haven’t really told it, and I don’t know if I ever really will because it leads down a rabbit hole of questions and answers about too many very uncomfortable subjects that are not related to trust. Not exactly. Maybe it will come out some other time. 


Not today.